rolls out climate change. >> it's striking to me that in the number of candidates we still have 22, there's going to be this sharp dropoff as we go into this third debate. i think that like there's a little bit of electability, the proof is in the pudding, right, where it's hard to make the argument you can beat donald trump if you've not gotten traction in the race so far. >> i mean, think about this. we have this point of like replication point where people are like oh, we have, i'm the moderate, i can beat donald trump because i'm a moderate. well, i'm more moderate than that moderate. people trying to out-moderate. >> john hickenlooper, bullock. >> exactly, the kind of insert last name here, and it becomes almost like a elevator music version of american politics. and none of that has caught on. i also think if you look back at 2016, there's a reason why bernie sanders did so much better than martin o'malley did,