devastation that's there. >> you know, we're in the living through the front edge of an era of increasingly extreme weather and climate disaster and climate crisis. are we getting better as a sort of civilization at dealing with disaster preparedness and rescue and rebuilding? >> nope. >> we're not? >> no. we tend to build back the way it was. we tend to plan for what we're capable of and then we hope it's not that bad. climate change, you can talk about it all you want to. i think we need to be talking about how we're adapting our communities, our systems, and our infrastructure for what is already happened and is happening now. >> what would that adaptation look like? what do you mean by that? >> well, in the states, the big thing here is makeing sure our building codes reflect the increasing impacts, that we look at our flood problem not as defined by insurance rate maps, but what could flood.