one in the middle of this? ukraine's not in the eu but the more i'm learning the more it seems it had nothing to do with his port foal you. is this a strange setup? >> it's very strange. ambassador sondland was new to the game, got sucked in to the awe of being in the trump's orbit. the president has got the authority to tell him to do whatever he wants and the president chose to have him take over the ukraine portfolio because he would do what he wanted the fact he didn't testify today frankly was not a surprise to me. i was stunned they got as far to the end before they pulled the plug, and it's important to see the real stories. we have it text messages, the president's admission.