the conversation, the former white house associate counselor, both still with me. ian, as a former white house counsel, what is your raekds to th this news. >> there's three problems with this. we had an extensive policy that had been honored not just by the obama white house but the bush white house on when it was appropriate for white house staff to call the department of justice and what sort of communications were permissible and one generally is not and coordinating about individual law enforcement matters, investigations and prosecutions. and this sounds an awful lot like that. the second problem with it is the individual law enforcement matter issue involved the president so the conflict of interest is quite insane. and the third problem with it is it doesn't matter whether the president broke a loll or not, the founders are very clear the impeachment clause does not