that in new york city, in washington, d.c., in other places elite rich people gather which i think gives them a false impression that's the median voter position. >> and the other quadrant which is real hostile and worried about immigrants and worried about pro-universal health care that is in some ways the least represented one and one that donald trump also helped to tap into. >> i don't know if you remember this, but you and i did an event a long time ago, maybe ten years ago where we were talking about how yes, the terrifying person who could come along in american politics would be the person who is economically progressive but socially reactionary. and donald trump i don't think hasn't actually been economically progressive in practice, but that's what he promised people. he promised people great health care. he promised them no cuts to entitlements. >> trade deals. >> the bloomberg thing is so bizarre to me because these are obviously intelligent people. he can obviously afford decent polling, but it's just where does that come from? i think you there -- i was there