personal information, all kinds of impacts on their governmental systems, who knows? just as we're concerned about the breadth of possible russian impact on us. we had on the 2016 election a series of examples. we had the russians setting up a bot network to overload messages for facebook. we had them creating fake news to help drive that fake news. we had them as you mentioned on your program exploring how to penetrate election systems in all 50 states. we had all that going on, but there's also a lot of concern about the ability of countries to mess with operating systems of things like pipeline systems or utilities or electric grids. so there's a huge host, and that's where we're talking about things done privately, how might that escalate back and forth and to what degree are these acts of war?