want to turn the keys over this someone like larry elder? who said and they want to get rid of the mask mandates in school. it would clearly be a disaster on every front. and so the more the stakes are raised in this election, i very much agree with you, what would happen here, that this is not fun and games. this could be catastrophic, i think that will really occur to newsom's benefit. >> what do you think democrats have learned from this process so far, about why newsom is in the situation? >> listen, i think that this is not an off year election. it's a recall election. but whenever you don't have a presidential year election, or traditional congressional election, that can be challenging. for democrats. but i think that you have to play off. this i think the newsom campaign is starting to do a lot more than that, both in terms of defining this is a choice between he and elder, but let's talk about how we've handled the covid pandemic care. let's talk about what i've done, let's talk about welder done, i'd like to see democrats