>> caroline, you've written a lot about the sort of inheritance of the lost cause in the south, and i'm curious what your reactions were to seeing this today? >> well, i think i want to echo jelani in saying of course relief. there is a victory in seeing the monument come down, but on the other side, you know, i don't like shadow boxing with my enemy. i don't like shadow boxing with the oppressor. i don't like being gaslit. and i think that there is some real brilliance to the notion of toppling them but leaving them where we can see them. leaving them in the light certainly for at least as long as the systems of oppression that they fought to uphold remain an impediment to equity in any fundamental lasting way in this country, because i think we're witnessing this moment of regression, right? we're witnessing similar to what