there anything -- new current wave of republicans are doing. which is why in a new piece in the atlantic, questions if there is any place in the party for congressman like michigan and rob peter meijer. meyer voted to certify the results of the 2021 election, and for donald trump's second impeachment and seems at least normally committed to governance. -- does not believe he is standing alone against republican trolls like marjorie taylor greene or georgia or paul gosar of his arizona. quote, convinced there are more republicans like him national pragmatic by the time the party has taken then there are like gosar because they have the -- knowledge to engage in tactics they can reasonably debate like adults, they can take the high road they can play the long game. all evidence would point to minus optimism brewing dangerously close to naivete, but i guess for the sake of democracy he is right. tim alberta as a staffer at the atlantic where he wrote that new piece on congressman peter meijer, and he joins me now.