and any government agencies passing rules or policy that might pressure or incentivize banks to lend to oil and gas companies. the term that aranof uses tongue and cheek is critical energy theory, a term no one has used but maybe it will be coming to you soon. joining me now is the staff bringer at the new republic covering climate author of that amazing piece. it's really great reporting, i chuckled at the critical energy theory headline, so tell me first of all what you how you reported on this with alec. >> the center for media and democracy has been following this story for years, and has been close to the ground tracking these conferences for years. i was in contact with them as well as a contact i had there, and getting sort of updates on what was happening and in particular, i'm a climate reporter following the sort of energy module which is one of my many of these subject areas