committee as part of an interview. we have reached out to waldron for comment and and have not heard back. and remember, the folks who talked to the january 6th select committee are not necessarily reliable narrators, but kerik is a really important witness for them because he was actually part of trump's outside legal team that worked on all these lawsuits, trying to challenge the election results. it's actually pretty unusual and a very big deal that somebody who was on that legal team is playing ball with the committee and cooperating with them, at least in as extensive as a way as kerik has engaged. now, phil waldron might not be a household name, he's not even a household name necessarily in my household. waldron is really interesting though because he's most associated with, i think a 38 -page powerpoint plan that circulated on capitol hill that found its way to mark meadows'inbox, when he was white house chief of staff. and that laid out a very extensive plan for trying to overturn the election results. additionally, waldron has told reporters that when he was in the defense intelligence agency that he worked with michael flynn when michael flynn was there as well. and so waldron claims to have that connection. the u.s. defense department hasn't commented on the nature >> yeah, that's right. and we don't know that waldron is the author of the memo. we don't know that he's the only person who is advocating for this case. it's a story that we're still