you have someone like donald trump, who, for whatever reason, was, as we have been reporting, ripping everything, information, memos, articles from the washington post he didn't like, it's hard to reach that bar of it being nefarious. >> yeah, i think i'm just gonna editorialize, this is not using, it it's me saying it here, you're just reporting with the facts are, there is a kind of prophylactic nature to this. it's in line with the brazenness, which is the defense is always about intent. he actually called the election was stolen in georgia when he called raffensperger. he actually thought that it was corrupt, that he needed the voting machines. and he thought mike pence could do. it he actually thought the phone call with ukraine was fined. that he actually wanted russia to get to the bottom of hillary 's emails, that the intent is always, always the fall back. i don't know how much the flushing down the toilet's --