things are always more chaotic. no one wants to leave. the document process and the transfer from the white house office of records management to the actual archives can be a little more chaotic. and there are former presidents who have, over time, handed over the classified documents that they have dredged out after someone has passed away. but when we look at the volume here and the scale, the way that we keep hearing is extraordinary. and this is not normal, that this is out of the ordinary. regardless of any technicality or negligence, this is unlike any presidency before. >> yeah. so, to look back to what you mentioned, the big question is, is everyone certain that they have everything at this point? can anyone render that answer definitively? i think the answer is no, right? as of now? >> yeah, you are totally right. we got a statement from the archives earlier this week that said that they have been told by trump representatives that