strategically. this won't be over. this is a tenure of and he just signed up for. and how could he govern this entire country? he is in trouble. >> your point there -- we kept saying this and we said this even on the program when it looked like this might happen, it was threatening to happen. and the and then what question seemed incredibly unanswered. i remember feeling that way about the u.s. war in iraq. the and then what question. and here we are not there, we are in the midst of this horrible humanitarian disaster. we are watching people die and be killed. but not even victory would look like -- at this point has to feel incredibly abstract from the russian perspective. >> yeah, well, at some point, they have to put ten, 15 battalions into kyiv and fight block by block and fire tank -- they will start firing artillery of 5000, 15,000