houthis. there's been a cease-fire and american diplomats have worked very hard on and try to preserve. the houthis are saying they are doing this, these firing at these commercial ships as a means of blockading the red sea in response to the israeli attacks on gaza. are there u.s. diplomatic channels with the houthis? obviously, there's missiles flying. but are there people talking behind the scenes? >> there are. there are u.s. officials, including the special envoy to yemen, who have been working on what they have really hoped for, almost two years, now would end up being what they call a lasting cease-fire, and enduring cease-fire. i will say, the cease-fire between the saudis and the houthis has held for -- it's been a year and a half, almost two years now. it has been holding and that's one of the real concerns here. that's who the action that's really stepped up in the last two months, there's a worry that's going to break that cease-fire, and that we are going to start seeing another civil war, which i'm sure you remember, chris, just had -- >> horrific. >> -- unbelievably traumatic