people who live their lives the way they want it lived and one of the greatest things i did for, you know, in imam in afghanistan was to read the koran and arabic and pray with them and it opened doors they would never open to another person. we don't understand foreign cultures. we walk in there, we're going to go in and create our own culture the way the russians tried to do. if the russians failed, we're going to fail. we cannot build a stable nation with a culture that never has a stable nation. you have to deal with it. i mean, tribally. and the loyajurga, that is great, but it is they and the tribal chiefs who cut deals secretly with the taliban over the last couple of years and the army didn't collapse. the army just went over to the taliban. because they want to go home and herd goats and get their sons