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MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports July 7, 2024

Members of Brittney Griner and paul whelan are set to meet with President Biden. And ill meet with former ambassador brown as the line extends for more than five miles wanting to pay their respects to Queen Elizabeth. And the prince and princess of wales today before the funeral. Good District Attorney im Andrea Mitchell in washington. Where merrick garlands Justice Department lost all requests to a florida judge to allow them to continue using classified documents seized at maralago for now. This will delay the criminal investigation. Judge Aileen Cannon handing mr. Trump another legal victory by putting a especially master in charge of the documents. Judge raymond dearie, a senior judge from new york, respected by both sides, will have until November 30th to sift through thousands of papers to determine if any documents are privileged. Meanwhile, the former president is predicting trouble if hes indicted. I think if it happened, i think youd have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps weve never seen before. I dont think the people of the United States would stand for it. What kind of problems, mr. President . I think theyd have big problems. Big problems. I dont think theyll stand for it. They will not sit still and stand for this ultimate of hoaxes. Joining me now ken dilanian and paul charleston. We can speak about his statements and wonder if again hes urging some kind of uprising im sure his lawyers are not pleased. But take us through the key elements of judge cannons ruling and how this is expected to proceed because its being widely criticized by legal experts. Thats right. The Justice Department tried to offer a modest compromise here and the judge rejected it and doubled down on the view that the National Security division of the Justice Department cannot be trusted to say what is and isnt classified and to say what is and isnt appropriate or the used in a criminal investigation, materials that theyve seized under a lawful search warrant. What shes saying is the Special Master has to review all the documents, all 11,000 including the 100 or so classified documents. She has rejected the dojs request that she stay the part of her order and allow them to use the classified documents currently right now in their criminal investigation. She said they still cannot do that. She said, for example, they havent shown her theres any imminent harm to National Security as they asserted in their brief. They havent demonstrated that any of the classified documents fell into the wrong hands while at maralago. What the fbi would say is thats exactly the thing they need to investigate. She did offer a small window of compromise in the sense of, explaining that her ruling, she believes, allows the Intelligence Community to continue its Damage Assessment into whether National Security has been compromised in the mishandling of the documents and the fbi can assist in that investigation and the fbi can ask about the documents, who had access to them, where they went but they cannot use the contents in the criminal investigation. And the doj flatly disagrees with almost all aspects of this ruling which is why we are expecting an appeal today, andrea. An appeal to the 11th circuit. Paul, one issue that comes to mind is if the fbi follows the judges order and uses the documents in any fashion, couldnt that lead to, if there were an indictment down the road and they discover things that are part of the investigation, couldnt that lead to the defense successfully shutting down those avenues from any future indictment or trial . Andrea, thats exactly right. Ive had this experience many times. If someone tries to circumscribe, you can only ask about a, but do not ever ask about b, when you enter into the real world in attempts to talk to a witness and only talk about a and not b, it becomes an impossibility. Every time a witness ventures to an area they ought not to, someone will say you did so intentionally. This is a judge that has already demonstrated an extraordinary amount of distrust as it relates to the Department Of Justice and the prosecutors handling the case. Its not just down the road in the event of a prosecution, those prosecutors may see that evidence challenged in some fashion, but here you are at risk of finding yourself in contempt. You make a decision, you do an interview, you ask about one part that the judge said is okay, the witness ventures into another area, this judge could find you in contempt for violating her order. Her attempts to clarify this issue have not been helpful. Her footnotes in the order dont clarify what she attempts to allow the government to do here. I dont know, andrea, that the government has any other real alternative but to appeal this decision. And she also questions whether these documents are classified, even though theyre marked classified. She rejected the governments argument previously about Executive Privilege not following the president home. So, andrea, think about that. The trump team has claimed that this is simply a misunderstanding about how to handle documents and they put classified documents in the trump teams pleadings, shes done the same here. A simple issue such as whether or not the documents are classified she puts in quotations and said i cant rely on your representation that these are classified documents. She has shown since the beginning, remember when the trump team filed their first pleading, asking for a Special Master to be appointed before she received the response from the government in opposition to that request, she indicated she would favor a Special Master. Now she says i cant rely on those representations, some of those representations made in an affidavit, i cant rely on those. I cannot believe that these are classified documents. Theres one more tell, if i may, andrea, in her instructions to the Special Master, the first thing she tells the Special Master to do in plain language is to review the documents that the government says it seized here and to verify that those are, in fact, documents that were seized. She suggests the Special Master may even want to get a sworn statement from the government that these are all documents that were collected by the government. That issue has never been before this court. It wasnt an issue until her order put it out there as an issue. This is a judge who has moved from fair and impartial to someone who is questioning the very credibility of the prosecutors and the agent who has supplied information under oath, andrea. That is extraordinary. Just briefly, paul, the delay, if this goes to the 11th circuit, then if the Justice Department doesnt like or either side doesnt like what a threejudge panel does, then either side can go to the Supreme Court so this could delay the Damage Assessment. Correct. There is delay either direction the government chooses to go. If you choose to follow the judges order and say we go to the Special Master, the steps this court has put in place for the Special Master to review these documents, get clearances for the Trump Lawyers, thats going to be a difficult and time consuing process, have the Trump Lawyers review those documents, have them identify what documents may be privileged or otherwise, the government has a chance to respond, then the Special Master makes his decision, then the judge, independently, once again, all by herself, looking to or relying on the Special Master decision makes her decision. Theres going to be significant delays even if they go to the Special Master. The question now is, will the delay be less impactful if they file a narrow appeal with the court of appeals and it goes to her bosses, supervisors and say heres a narrow scope, 100 plus classified documents we need to be able to, in the interest of National Security, go forward with our investigation as it relates to those. Allow us to do so, tell judge cannon she got it wrong. That may be the best alternative here, andrea, for the government. Ken dilanian, Paul Charlton thank you both very much. The miles of mourners paying respects to the queen. Including soccer legend, David Beckham who wiped away tears once inside. Plus the Prince Of Wales opening up how he is mourning the woman he called granny. One of the 15 Prime Ministers, gordon brown, sharing his memories of the queen and the Strong Foundation she set for king charles. This is Andrea Mitchell reports on msnbc. Andrea mitchl reports on msnbc. 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Inside Westminster Hall mourners lining up to file past the queens coffin where she will lie in state until her funeral on monday. King charles and Queen Consort camilla are in Wales Today Greeting Well Wishers and receiving condolences from welsh lawmakers. This as the prince and princess of wales visited an Army Training center. The king, with his sons william and harry will walk behind the queens casket one final time. Prince william telling well fishers that the memories of his mothers funeral and that walk behind the casket are flooding back. The walk yesterday was challenging. 15 Prime Ministers have led the uk government since Queen Elizabeths accession to the throne in 1952 starting with Winston Churchill and ending two days before she died with liz truss. During her 70year plus reign the queen held weekly audiences with all of them. I spoke today with former Prime Minister gordon brown about his relationship with the queen and how she will be remembered. It is a pleasure to have you here even during these sad times but it is time to celebrate her majesty the queen. You knew her for so many years first as a Member Of Parliament when she came to scotland. I first met the queen in 1983 when i was a Member Of Parliament. But, of course, i met her every week for more than an hour when i was Prime Minister. You know, never in our history has there been such an outpouring of grief and sadness at the death of a monarch and someone loved by the whole public. There were tears but also thankfulness at the Grate Service shes given to our country. When i met the queen, she was considerate, incredibly generous, very kind indeed, very well informed. I had to report on the budget and what we were doing in terms of finances, but she was very, very well up on all these details, particularly what was happening in the rest of the world. And she had this tremendous sense of duty, commitment to Public Service and pledged herself at the age of 21 that whatever happened she would devote her life to the country. And she had an incredible sense of humor. I remember having to report we couldnt afford a new royal yacht. You couldnt afford to replace we couldnt and we didnt want it sponsored by enron or someone, and then of course we couldnt afford another proposal her family had for a royal air fleet because we had the royal air force. She had trouble because there was a royal train and all these permissions she had to get to london and then suddenly she said i think we should get a royal bus. That was her humor. I remember, also, you know, when you met the queen, you said your majesty and then you said mum throughout the meeting. But nelson mandela, a great friend of mine and hers he would say hello, elizabeth, hows the duke. That was nelson mandela. Thats amazing. I remember also my children, they met the queen for the first time at balmoral, and they were very young at that time, both under 5. She was walking out and was going to introduce them for the first time and one she was out with her corgis and they were barking and she said shut up. So my kids said if the queen can say it. That was her sense of humor. Though she was above us, she was alongside us, and she would like herself to be remembered as a person who served the country right until the last. There were pictures of her tuesday before she died on the thursday meeting the new Prime Minister and saying goodbye to the old Prime Minister and she did it with such dignity and clearly was not well at that time. I had the privilege of once being at balmoral and watching the rights in scotland, the incredible outpouring from the people, it was so clear there was a special bond between her and scotland and the fact she went to balmoral in scotland for every vacation. She didnt holiday around the world. She loved scotland. If you remember when the duke of edinburgh died her husband, the one photograph she issued as a public demonstration of her grief was a photograph of her with them on the hills of balmoral. She interrupted the holiday by inviting every Prime Minister there. Tell me about that. I heard that she actually served the barbecue. What she did, she organized a barbecue for every Prime Minister, and she would drive you there herself, because a bit away from the castle how was she behind the wheel . Very good behind the wheel but we had to open and close gates to different parts of the estate. So getting in and out of the car and she was driving on. We arrive at the barbecue and the duke of edinburgh was manning the grill. Mrs. Thatcher who was astounded about this, send her Rubber Gloves for christmas. This is astonishing. Of course you offered to help and she was determined to do it herself. That was how considerate she was. She made you feel at home by bringing other guests that she knew you would like. There was a book in your room that she chose specially from her library for you to read. That was the kindness and generosity and the considerate nature she had. Yet she was presiding over huge changes taking place in the country. The longest serving monarch, 71 years. Queen elizabeth i was only 45 years. Queen victoria, 50 years. King george iii, 60 years. She was 70. Its a quality she brought to the job. At the time she was queen we were not an expanding empire as britain was in the 19th century under queen victoria. The empire was becoming the commonwealth and she eased the transition and made it smoother than it otherwise would have been because her diplomatic skills. So the Commonwealth Of Nations is 2 1 2 billion people and 56 countries, countries that were never part of the British Empire and thats really a tribute to her own sense that britain could have a role in the world even if it wasnt an imperial role. How do you imagine the transition will be . Certainly king charles has shown a great deal of empathy in the last days but he doesnt have

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