agree on whether or not an insurrection occurred that day. we have republican primary candidates commonly referring to their rioters as patriots or as political prisoners. our courts are still in the process of litigating whether or not the men who tried to overthrow the government is eligible to be commander-in-chief once again. but, i don't know how the supreme court will rule. but if past is prologue, i don't see how america will find a true sense of closure, and i hope that i am wrong. joining me now, former senator barbara boxer, we also have the vice president for immigration policy and campaigns at forward a u.s., and the former federal prosecutor and legal affairs columnist at politico. thank you so much for joining me tonight. i want to start with you, senator. if you take a step back, why do you think it's been so hard for this nation to get closure around january 6th? to really reckon with what happened that day? >> it's hard to get closure