in fact, you will find, i think most african-americans, are quite adverse to gun possession. >> in suburbia, i think there's quite, you know, there's some notion that there's going to be an invading horde, come from either the city, or from some place unknown. to savage their suburban community. to me, it's, not only is it bizarre, but it's totally unfounded. >> and these pistols, curiously enough, weren't being taken off the kids in the city of flint, but were taken off of kids out in the out-county areas, in the suburban communities. and -- >> i didn't think that was what you were going to say, i thought you would say it is all of these black kids in inner city schools that have these guns. >> no, that's a -- we've never really had many problems with the guns in the city. i mean and not to say that we haven't, but we've had some, but that's never been the biggest problem. the biggest problem has been the