states on the path to overthrowing saddam hussein. he is seen as a great man. it was a dignified leader, a statesman, a general, but who also has this undeniable past in which he was leading the campaign in front of the world, using his own credibility to talk about saddam hussein and connections to al qaeda even though there were no connections to al qaeda, and the faulty intelligence that iraq and saddam hussein were -- had an active nuclear weapons program, although none was ever discovered. >> as richard points out, he had an extraordinary influence abroad as well, of course, as at home. what are you hearing about the pentagon this morning? >> that's right. well, we've already heard of secretary of defense lloyd austin. he's traveling overseas right now. i think what we heard from him is the kind of -- the kind of statements we should expect to hear in the coming hours and