again, s.w.i.f.t. is not some panacea. it's a messaging, communication system. there's other ways to make payment. what some people are worried about is if this sanction with s.w.i.f.t. would released, it would accelerate a global payment system and we would have less influence. again, though, i understand the focus on sanctions but there's nothing in the history of sanctions that suggest that even if we could get greater consensus or resolve that we seem to have that somehow that's the silver bullet. there's just nothing in history that suggests that. >> hillary clinton called out, without naming them, former president trump and mike pompeo