greatest -- let's never forget that. the reality is if they don't go after donald trump and they are not really debating, to be honest. >> they are not actually trying to. when >> they are not trying to win. >> they are hoping he comes incapacitated -- >> they are either running for vice president, which some of them are clearly doing, nikki haley, vivek ramaswamy, all of them hoping he will disappear in a legal fog, ron desantis, tim scott, they can inherit his votes. >> i think of it as a multi waved -- multi lane highway, there's chris christie ready to prosecute the case against donald trump in his lane, and in an ordinary population that would be the populist, the full populous, the libertarians, those lanes did not exist here.