we thought you were done, but -- >> no, i wasn't. and >> mike, when to say this, in making commitment on day one that you will pardon donald trump, i'm an only candidate on the stage, that is the role of our nation going forward. that's the role of our nation going forward. >> donald trump will be convicted of these crimes. >> are you able to make a commitment to the same justice system that was -- >> it was corrupt. >> a key difference between me. >> yeah, i'm a presidential politician, answer the question. >> i've actually given pardons were as governor of the state of indiana. usually follows a finding of guilt and contrition by the individual that's been convicted. >> now, there were many moments in this debate that left me with so, so many questions. but two especially jump out. first of all, will anything we saw tonight hurt front runner donald trump? and will this debate have any impact on the standing of the rest of the field? maybe. we will see. joining me now with this first reaction to this debate, president biden's former chief of staff and my former boss, ron klain. so, ron, great to see you.