look, the nra, has over the years, taken a very tough stance on everything. i understand it. it's a slippery slope. they think approve one thing and that leaded to a lot of bad things. i think we can do meaningful -- very meaningful background checks. >> according to the atlantic, the president told lapierre that they universal background checks were off the table. but a source telling the atlantic is wrong saying the president has not mentioned supporting background checks. but meaningful background checks remain on the table. this about-face is interesting, some democrats i've been speaking to this is exactly what they predicted was going to happen. not only that the president was going to make an about-face after speaking with somebody like wayne lapierre.