learning everything to basically working underneath the supervisor and shadowing him. so i pretty much worked from the ground up to where i am now. you get it? ground up? other than that, like, that's not scheduled work, so -- >> basically, mike and shawn, they run the daily operations. >> i really do depend on mike. we're partners with his mother in this business. >> shawn and i met when were we in college and he was an upper classman. i looked up to him. he was almost like a big brother to me. >> mike and i have been through a lot together, both personally and professionally. we're both in recovery, which is a big thing we have in common. >> if you can do it with somebody else who has the same goals as you do, to become a better person on a daily basis, it makes it easier. >> they're like two old souls. they work together so well. i know they both have the company's best interest at heart. sometimes it takes a little, you