reason, not in the nation's interest. >> i think language is important here. i think they meant to use a word from the constitution -- bribery. >> absolutely. but they have to really play carefully. do they go too far? overreach is major concern for democrats right now. that's why they've tried to not tack on all these other potential issues democrats want to tack on -- >> including stuff like the emoluments clause. >> because then it makes it easier for the trump white house to say, look, this is just an attempt to throw anything at the presidency that sticks. >> you never give them the weakest link. >> the other stuff is in the background and sets a context of understanding this president inviting, welcoming, amplifying foreign election interference. >> there was a great line in the story paton where paton and another one of the generals said we could still lose this war in europe. do you think the democrats could still lose this fight?