diplomacy does, which is more diplomacy. they agreed to more talks, and it looks like there's more dialogue, there is a path out of this, however unlikely it is that these two leaders are going to blink in front of one another. jose? >> matt bradley in london, thank you. joining me now, garry kasparov, founder and chairman of the renewed democracy initiative, a russian pro-democracy leader, a former world chess champion, and author of "deep thinking," where machine intelligence ends and human intelligence begins. garry, a pleasure to see you this morning. my first question to you is, garry, why ukraine, why now? >> it's not now, it started a long time ago and if you go all the way back to 2017, munich security conference, when putin talked about dividing the world and europe in his first influence, he clearly made a