>> yeah, so many people have been hoping that pakistan and iraq would open its borders so that some of these people could try to escape there. kevin, really quickly -- >> not pakistan, people have nowhere to go. i'm just -- this is -- i'm echoing what i'm hearing from afghans, even i've just been messaged as we've been speaking. this is -- people are desperate to get out. they -- they're going to be killed. >> i can hear the emotion in your voice about all of this, kristen. >> we have to act now. the opining over whether -- whether it was worth it, do we send in troops, what are we doing for afghans now? these are lives on the line. people who served with us, people who allied with us, people who believed in us, what are we doing for them right now? >> and kevin, i have about 15 seconds or so. let's play this game. we did it a lot during the trump administration. what if this was all happening
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