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MSNBC MSNBC Live August 12, 2013

Escalated and put 600 percent more increases who stopped and frisked. Unconstitutional because it violates the 14th amendment we should be treated equally and violates the Fourth Amendment longstanding rules how we can be stopped and searched. There are obviously National Rules on that. What we are hearing is this policy is the Aggressive Police tactics in the country violates those longstanding rules on how you can be searched. We have no reaction from mayor bloomberg as of yet but some of the candidates for his job, they are speaking out. We have got bill de blasio stop and frisk hasnt made new york city a safer community. Anthony weiner is saying this is what was found when the police stop thousands of citizens done nothing wrong the number being men of color basically civil rights are being violated. Lets get some of the numbers out there for everybody. 88 of the stops resulted in police letting the person go without an arrest or a ticket. It meant there was not credible suspicion there. So the mayor, though, stands firm in the fact that he feels that this law is necessary . That its been valuable . Why do you think he is being mum so far . I mean, he had to anticipate and be ready to react when this ruling was eventually going to come down. Sure. A long expected ruling ever since it was brought. It has the attention of the mayor and his lawyers are probably reviewing it. Im glad you mentioned the mayors race. This issue has a big deal here in new york city and in cities around the country that are looking at police tactics. The comment you showed there from Anthony Weiner is hypocritical. He has has not been a critic of this. Now we see its unconstitutional politicians generally dont want to support anything unconstitutional. Others have been more critical of the policy. How do you think that as you bring up other cities other places considering this that this will fly in the face for that consideration, especially when this works against our Fourth Amendment rights . Look. I think this totally rewrites the conversation. The biggest part of this and you and i have discussed this on your show before is that nobody likes racial profiling. President bush was against it. President obama recently spoke out against it. The Trayvon Martin had the agreement using race would be bad and debating the facts over it. This policy has been sold repeatedly not as racial profiling. Its sold repeatedly as Aggressive Police tactics that relate to crime staesks. We have today a ruling that says to minorities here in new york and i would argue probably around the country although take time to see how it plays out. This ruling says you can no long be presumed suspicious because of the color of your skin and the statistics that are in this ruling and that you just mentioned bear that out because they were stopping people primarily based on race and racerelated attributes and vast mantle found nothing wrong and not doing anything. Another point on this important day. The whole tactic comes out of the Supreme Court case that had said, well, sometimes can you have a lower standard of search because someone might have a gun on them. What nypd said we will use that loophole to act like maybe everyone has a gun on them. One other piece of data that bears that out. After the stop is made under the data in this case they found whites were more likely to have contraband or a weapon on them than africanamericans and yet africanamericans were overstopped. How muscular of a flex is for the commissioner kelly to say we have been doing this a long time now, almost ten years, but you got to stop . Or a gray area like you say the lawyers for bloomberg are scanning through this 195page document looking for a way to wrangle around it. The judge did not say stop and frisk 100 . The judge says you have to bring these kind of stops back within those constitutional rules. How do we do that and how do we make sure it happens . You mentioned in the lead is there a monitor appointed by the court. Number two, they will have a Trial Program of more recording of officers so they will be body cameras in one precinct purr borough throughout new york. Why . We want better information says the court about how this is working and we dont have officers and defendants fighting over it in court. That is controversial to some people but now required. Commissioner kelly cant do anything about it other than follow the courts order. Three, they have ways they are going to use more internal monitoring within the police to try to make sure this is a less racially motivating program. We will be getting reaction later in the hour from reverend al sharpton. He is going to be here. You can catch ari on the cycle on msnbc at 3 00 p. M. Weekdays. Todays big question for you. A judge ruling stop and frisk is unconstitutional. What is your reaction to it . Go to my Facebook Page and weigh in there and we will share your thoughts later in the show. Coming up two hours from now, eric holder will announce major changes in federal policies concerning drug offenses something he is calling the smart on crime initiative. Nbc news justice correspondent Pete Williams joining me from washington. Break down what we expect the attorney general to announce. What you said, thomas. For those low level offenders not connected to some Larger Organization and not connected to a drug cartel or a gang, they are not part of an organized crime operation, they are on their own, they are carrying a small amount of drugs, what he is going to say to federal prosecutors is write the charges in a way that doesnt trigger the mandatory minimum sentences so that means they wont specify, for example, whether certain amount of drugs was there that would trigger the mandatory either five or tenyear prison sentence. Part of the problem here, he says, that sthat this is a misdirection of sources. Its a harsh punishment for people who are not the big part of the problem. Secondly he said its contribute to go a massive overcrowding in u. S. Prison systems. In the federal system, for example, prison growth has been about 800 percent in the last couple of years when you compare that to the growth in population of only about a third and 40 of u. S. Prisons are overcrowded and about half of the inmates are there because they were sentence to do a drug offense. Its part of where he wants to direct federal resources more toward serious crimes and violent offenders and as part of that initiative, hell also say he wants more local Law Enforcement to be to pick up more of the slack here so the feds can focus more on most serious crimes which is going to reverse a trend of the last couple of years to federalize more crimes. But the attorney general says too Many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long and for no good Law Enforcement reason. Its called smart on crime. We will hear from the attorney general in a couple of hours. Pete williams, thank you. You bet. Joining me by telephone is connecticut democrat irsenator richard blumenthal. Good to have you here. As connecticuts former attorney general you have a deep legal history. First, your reaction to the federal ruling from a judge today that new york city stop and frisk tactics are a violation of constitutional right the Constitutional Rights of tens of thousands of new yorkers and this has been going on for nearly a decade. This decision is going to be reviewed exhaustively. I want to look at what the reasoning is. Certainly there is a reason to be vigilant and vigorous when it comes to these kind of Constitutional Rights but whether these practices are crossed the lines, i think the courts have not finally determined. We understand that mayor bloomberg is going to be holding a press conference at 1 00 p. M. On the judges ruling that the stop and frisk law is unconstitutional here in new york. He has not made a comment so far. On this people running for his job have come out in support of this. I want to switch gears and get your reaction toward our reporting from Pete Williams is telling us about attorney general eric holder, the remarks that are planned for today on major changes for the sentencing structure for low level nonviolent drug criminals. Why do you think he is doing this now . He is moving in this direction now after xrg it for some time and seeing that congress is not likely to act to modify the mandatory sentences unfederal law and clearly prison is overcrowding. The population of prisons have risen by 800 since 1980, whereas, the population has only risen by a third. The federal prisons are significantly overcrowded. Arkansas and other states made adjustments to reduce the overcrowding and changing the sentences in practice. Giving t and also enhance the rehabilitation goals. My reservation about this new policy is that he is seeming to say they are going to shift more of meese prosecutions to state and legal levels. This trend and i was the u. S. Attorney in connecticut before i became the state attorney general, is one that is longstanding. Is there a typical effort to move these prosecutions to state and federal local levels and i think that the resource challenges are going to be equally present there as they have at the federal level. Sir, on to another topic that has a lot of attention in washington, especially from the president. On friday he announced a revamp to the nsa surveillance programs but denied it was a result of Edward Snowden and he spoke in a tv interview yesterday. I want to play what he had to say. At this point, what i would like is for this to be vetted in open court for the American People to have all of the facts. What ive seen is much political theater. I was disappointed in the president s press conference. Senator, do you think that Edward Snowden is winning the battle out there, the Public Perception of secrecy versus security, that the result of what he has done to expose all of this is worth it . The issue is not whether Edward Snowden is winning or losing and i would disagree that he is winning personally. I think he should be brought back for trial as both the president and his father seem to agree. The real question is how do we modify our intelligence structure so as to strike a better balance between preserving our scooter aecurity protecting our liberties . I welcome the president s embrace for what i made for a special advocate to protect privacy and liberty. The special advocate is an idea i had a blueprint in legislation. Ive offered it with some 15 cosponsors in the United States senate. And i think that kind of change in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is very important one, as well as adding to its diversity and geo graphical balance and has different views across the country. But, sir, in reference to maybe not Edward Snowden winning, isnt it the fact he revealed this to the American People that are making us have this broader and higher level of conversation about what the authority the nsa has and does . No question it has accelerated and deepened the conversation but he should be tried for the alleged violations of law and, at the same time, the process of reform should go forward, including Greater Transparency so we do not have a black box in this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court making law that is secret, through a secret process by judges who are appointed by a Single Person would you in the accountable or transparency in the opinions. This kind of star chamber caused our rebellion. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Sign the girls face on television. I told my wife, i said that is the girl we seen on the mountain. Its being called a one chance in a trillion sighting. I got to speak to the four people who helped rescue a teenager in the wilderness. 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Politics had two parts. Poly, meaning many. And ticks meaning blood sucking parasites. And that fairly accurately describes the state of affairs in washington today. Obama should have been beaten. Hillary is going to be tougher to beat. Now we have Vice President joe biden confirming he is the key note speaker in an annual steak fry in iowa that is coming up next month. This sounds very familiar. What are the chances of the people that we have already seen showing up in iowa being true contenders come 2016 . We have a mix of rodeo clowns who are in. It because they just want to stay relevant. Donald trump. Rick santorum has a narrow base appeal and people are rising stars and proving themselves such as ted cruz. Everybody is talking about how ted cruz did so its possible that he is on track to be the favorite for 2016. One thing about donald trump taking aim at hillary but before we get to hillary, talk about donald for a moment. We heard what irin thinks. He is showing up to remain relevant . It has no real bearing on president ial hopefulness. If i was rich and bored i probably would do the same thing. Why not . He can. What he loves is publicity. He is like the dark hole, you know, of that all strange political publicity gets sucked into. He is just there for fun. So we saw ted cruz aiming his swipes at getting obama care repealed. That has been timetested. Not just through what we saw during the election of 2012 but its also something that we have seen tested through the Supreme Court. Is that something voters want to hear about or is there Something Else at work behind that discussion from him . I dont think it has a very broad base appeal, but you have to understand the dynamics of the modern republican party. What is troubling is that a lot of these republican candidates, they dont have an incentive to offer serious policy solutions. Ted cruz being in the senate almost a year now without any serious accomplishments but if they can get ahead by pandering to svery small and special interests like Heritage Action and freedom works. One thing i want to get to as we get on to hillary because maureen dowd had this to say about president obamas role for clinton in 2016. Its gaining fire without much coming from the clinton camp at all. She says referring to their recent lunch together at the white house that instead of cooping hillary it looked like he was handing her a silver platter. Obama ushered in the return of clinton inc. And gave it its blegs. He doesnt realize that her first term is not a continuation of obama but as bill clintons third term. Meanwhile, missouri senator Claire Mccaskill weighed in with her support during an emilys list in iowa. Take a listen. We have to have millions of people engaged and ready for what will be a pivotal race in americas history, in americas history. And that is about getting everyone excited now about what i hope will be that moment in 2017 when we get to say, madam president , to Hillary Rodham clinton. Do you buy that . Thomas you know me pretty well. You know im not a huge fan of maureen dowd on politics. I think the excitement that Hillary Clinton has generated on her own if anything being associated with bill clinton and the politics of the 90s hurt her when it came to the democratic primary last time around. I think as you saw with the event in iowa with Claire Mccaskill a general excitement about a woman president and specifically Hillary Clinton who is very committed to those issues. She has not made a decision one way or another but leaves us guessing. I want to switch to this topic. Harry reid getting backlash for the comments he made and a lot of republican pushback on this from an interesting character who is asking for an apology. But take a listen to what had he to say first. We have been now seven months into this second term of the president and they havent changed much. So it has been obvious that they are doing everything they can to make him fail. And i hope, i hope that i say this seriously i hope that its based on substance, not the fact that he is an africanamerican. The interesting political character i was referencing was South Carolina senator tim scott who happens to be the only africanamerican serving in the chamber says he is seriously disappointed and i hope senator reid will realize the offensive nature of his remarks and they are hurting hard working american families. What do you think is going on here . Is there a reason for harry reid to apologize . I dont think harry reid owes anyone an apology. However, i dont think that it was the best strategic move because what we hav

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