basket and waves crazy banners and anything to confuse the person takingo shot. confuse theg audience. that's what we're seeing. carnival activity. basically it's the politics of grievance and p it's real and is felt by 90% of those republicans who support trump rightho now. they feel they've been screwed by society, by everything, by illegal immigration, ivy league. mob at the gate, rob at the top. that's the way they look at america and doug collins is voicing thatns every moment he gets to speak. >> chris matthews in washington, we'll be coming back to you throughout the day. as promised a quick lightening round before we go back into the panel. chuck? >> where you stand unfortunately seems to depend on where you sit. there's anou objective set of facts here. what i really wish people would do in listening to this important hearing, is listen for those facts. they're largely not contested. there's quibbles, different inferences that people bldraw, there's an objective set of facts about presidential wrong