was -- at that moment, i felt like i knew that charlie was gone. you know, but a minute later, i began to really believe that he was still alive, and we just went in default mode, default mode of trying to find charlie and where he would be. and then i heard that maybe there were a whole bunch of guys from cantor still alive underground and they had contacted people. and i grabbed on to that like, okay, you know, like this is definitely true. we were there for three days and calling and looking and following every possibility. my brother's like a hero in our family, just this big, jovial,