opposed to national interests. >> that's a decision not being made by republicans. carine, how do you see this? >> i think this is a very smart move by nancy pelosi. what she is essentially doing is she's calling donald trump's bluff, right? and republicans' bluff, which is as you were all discussing, republicans have been talking about process and process, look what they did last week. it was just all very, very insane. and she's like, okay. i'm going to take away that talking point. now, let's see if you guys can defend the actual substance. and i think that's the direction that we're headed here, which is a smart strategy, which is a good strategy for democrats to do. and we've always known that democrats were going to make this public. was going to have public hearings. and now, she's saying, okay, here's the next step. like, we have to see the language of the resolution, which we'll probably see in the next day or so. but this is what it seems like is happening. she's taking control. she's saying, this is where we're going. and here's the thing, katy, the public opinion is on their side