democratic primary that's going to be very difficult to contend with. we've seen this from deval patrick where he said i'm going to run, et cetera. i don't know what his path is. this stage of the game democrats are getting worried. there's not a clear front-runner. people did this in 2016. they thought joe biden should run. >> about this time. >> about this time. >> is the way the biden boom began. >> wesley clark got in around this time and he ended up not having a successful time. >> mark murray pointed out to me, alfonso, both wesley clark got in before this time, which allowed them to be in sochlt debates. there's one thing about all of this action. obviously there's a whole punch of people that say let me have a piece of them.