nato doesn't go into effect. that's the fundamental reason it exists and putin should understand that. but to the extent that there can be off-ramps for putin in terms of some of his concerns that don't, however, bind ukraine, only ukrainians should make that decision, that we would welcome. >> this summit of democracy that the president is going to host kicks off tomorrow. what is something tangible that can come out of it that can say, okay, look, gary casparoff, there is this feeling that democracy on defense around the world. what can come out of this summit that gives democracy advocates, whether they're in taiwan, russia, brazil, china some hope? >> i think a strong statement of commitment by the democracies,