scale attacks, whatever you want to call them, operations against ukraine, they will garner sanctions. what the administration is talking about now is much different from what we've done thus far. i was in the administration previously when we discussed harsher sanctions and decided not do them. then, the assistance to ukraine is not a joke either. i do think that the lesser variant is a problem for him. >> courtney kube has made it out of the briefing room. you know these two question about as well as anybody. obviously, it's the intentional message we heard but it's what they didn't say. general austin was deliberate in saying no troops have been moved yet. at the same time general milley and secretary austin were reminding putin how many