is protected by 11 other countries including the united states, israel, turkey, and the united kingdom among the 11. but i'd love to hear what general hodgings has to say since he was a senior nato official, a ground commander. how would this possibly work if you're a nato member? how can you form another alliance that could see you go to war against russia? independently, one of the things that the ukrainians want, they want to be stronger than nato. they want the security guarantees to be immediate, that if russia were to invade again, that there would have to be an immediate no-fly zone. how could the united states agree to that when it's not willing to agree to that now for fear of sparking as president biden said world war iii? so you have these still quite amorphous ideas of a security agreement from the ukrainians. they've punted the issue of crimea for the next 15 years. they said we will deal with that