Have to be able to die just washington lingo to get what that means, especially as relates to the stalemate. Absolutely, tamron. Theres one other part of the debate outside of that personal helm. We just had a president ial election over these issues less than a year ago. Republicans are calling for a repeal or budget balanced amendment for any type of hike in the debt ceiling, we have this debate. One of the more prominent House Republican members was on the republican president ial ticket, paul ryan. One of the reasons why president obama doesnt want to negotiate when it comes to the debt ceiling or shutdown, wants them taken off the table then move to the negotiations, is because they think this is already been litigated and all of a sudden if youre able to use these things and extract to end up losing the president ial contest, that creates a constitutional crisis. Also, misinformation and posturing. When im referring to mark, in the last hour, Andrea Mitchell interview interviewed sean duffy, he wants to keep obama care on the table, mean something that can be changed despite it being law and what the Supreme Court has said. In his point during his interview with andrea, he must enroll in obama care and that the president does not and what he referred to as gold plated health care. That conversation can be i think categorized as inaccurate and disingenuous, when we know it was a republican senator who included legislation that required the obama Care Exchange to be a part of the Congress Health care. Its difficult to get in sound bites. Congressman duffy, that they have to enroll in obama Care Exchanges due to Chuck Grassley of iowa who added that as an amendment to the Health Care Legislation which later became law. Bottom line, going on the exchanges and members of congress and their staff will continue to have health insurance, very good health insurance. They will what became a big issue, whether the federal government would continue to subsidize that. Obama administration ruled of course they would, like they do for other workers and big corporations like the one that owns us is able to subsidize our own health care. That gets to the essence of this entire conversation and one which republicans have used the talking point here. Just quickly here, as it relates to how both sides can move forward, what is the likely next step . Were waiting to hear from the president. Hes made it quite clear but we also know theres dissension within the republican ranks, who feel they are being held down by Tea Party Members within the caucus. Reporter its not just them, the poll is proving that with republicans taking brunt of the Government Shutdown. The way they move forward is they still feel at least in the leadership side they need to be able to get something in return for bringing the country into shutdown. They just cant simply let a clean government bill go on the floor. This has become about political posturing ahead of the debt limit. They believe as long as they have that position they cant relinquish the shutdown fight. You make the point, why do people have to suffer in order tore this political ploy . They are fighting for equality under the Health Care Law. The reason why that widow was not able to get the money because her husband was killed in afghanistan, that wasnt because of a Government Shutdown, but because of a Government Shutdown brought on by a debate about the Health Care Law which the president was reelected back in november. Thats why were here now, the Health Care Law. Thank you, both. Quts news nation is following this growing outrage over whats become a devastating effect of the Government Shutdown. It is now preventing families of Fallen Soldiers from collecting death benefits used to help with funerals and even flights for families to meet their loved ones who died. A Senior Defense official tells nbc news, 17 Service Members have died since the Government Shutdown on october 1st. And that none of their families have received those benefits, among them the family of 19yearold marine larns corporal Jeremiah Collins, killed on saturday. His grieving mother spoke with our nbc affiliate in milwaukee. Theres nothing like this pain. For the sacrifice that our kids are making and at the age they are making them, i dont understand how this can be a benefit thats withheld. I will not ip wont ever understand it. Joining me now pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. Theres been back and forth whether it was made by the pentagon or something required for the Government Shutdown. Clear this us for us. It is not a call by the pentagon. The lawyers here in the pentagon went to every possible length to figure out how to get around the law that shut the government down. And tried to work it into the pay the military now act and looked at every possible loophole and couldnt make it work. At least temporarily, the benefits will not be paid. Its 100,000 benefit, which is meant to cover the travel, burial and the like and it applies not only to Service Members killed in action, but any Service Member who dies. If a Service Member were to walk out of the pentagon today and get hit by a car, god forbid and get killed, they would be paid the same 100,000 benefit. Now, of course because its suspended. But once the Government Shutdown is lifted, pentagon Officials Say that the benefit will in fact be paid, that the 100,000 is being allocated as we speak for those who are killed in action or in accident or died naturally as a matter of fact. And then once the shutdown is over, those funds should be made immediately available to the families of those Service Members. Thank you very much. Let me bring in a. M. Mee miller, for Tragedy Assistance Program for survivors, provides emotional help for anyone who suffered the loss of a military loved one and iraq war vet, chairman and cofunder of vote vets. Org. Amy, you know this tragedy all too well. Before i get your reaction, four our u. S. Soldiers killed over weekend, joseph peters, 24, Cody Patterson age 24. Your reaction to this fallout from the shutdown only being discussed now after an excellent report from Andrea Mitchell. I think people think it is sickening to be honest with you. I think it is heart wrenching to know newly we reefd families will not have benefits when they need to bring Families Together to grief. John, we talk with you often and youre a passionate guy and my team told me this is something you would really wanted to speak out about and we wanted to get your voice. What are vets telling you . Ive gotten a lot of calls today, obviously. One of my buddies called me and did a couple of tours in iraq and called it the ultimate disgrace. Im embarrassed today standing in front of the capitol. This 100,000 is important, supposed to come with the casualty assistance, 1200 of indem knit for the families. I can imagine, its absolutely a shame and i think its the absolute example why we need to completely fund the government. When we try to piecemeal this thing, its an absolute slap in the face to those who died and certainly our organization, to continue to hold the gop accountable, specifically members of the house who have led us to this point. Amy, we watched world war ii vets attempt to see the memorial and were not initially able to go in. The Government Shutdown here, this raises the states of emotion to the next level. I want to play with Patrick Leahy of vermont, he was addressing the presiding officer of the senate. Lets play what he said. We dont have it but basically he said we send our soldiers to war and tell them were there if something happens to their families and now just because of a small group of Tea Party Republicans we say we cant even take care of your family when you die in the service. I dont want you to get into the politics of this or what side do you blame, but again, what message would you send to members of congress as we look at families grieving and left in the cold . We have fortunately a number of organizations has stood up, including the Army Relief Society and Navy Marine Corps sew side and others, trying to Fund Emergency travel for these families and help families with immediate needs. We are at taps are ready to support these families, our role is providing bereefment care and support and providing a list of resources that are available so we can be there to assist these families. There is a community here that is ready to embrace and support these families. Amy, thank you very much. John, thank you as well. We are awaiting the president , but meanwhile, let me bring in Democratic Congresswoman gwen more of wisconsin. Is mark murray still with us . Mark, let me bring you back in. Were talking about benefits for military families, obviously my father served this country, 30 years in the army. I cannot pretend it doesnt hurt when you hear Something Like this. This is not the only impact that needs to be discussed. Whats happened for example with head start programs where now youre looking at an individual that will donate some funds to help kids go to head start as well. Assistance as we pointed out, single mother, capital police, bravely protected members ever congress and we did not know what was playing out in that tragic scene last week, who also were not receiving the list goes on and on and depending on what your interests are or passions, you might get a little heated here. But the reality is there are innocent people who are the victims of the Government Shutdown. Tamron, the federal government is the nailg nations largest employer. Theres always big debates on how big the government should be, republicans want to make it small enand democrats want to expand the social safety net and things like that. But it does have very big consequences. Just what happened at general electric, always been seen as one of the nations largest employer went belly up all of a sudden this has been a partial Government Shutdown. Still parts that are working and president showing up today. He has his essential staff working, same thing on capitol hill. But there have been so Many Services that arent taking place and paychecks that arent going out and websites and job reports that arent going out. All of that has an impact. The question is what goes on if this goes on another week . Let me bring in ill get you to stand by. Lets bring in Democratic Congresswoman gwen moore of wisconsin. Her district includes milwaukee where Lance CorporalJeremiah Collins is from. Were waiting for the president , but your reaction to this story that these family members will not get this money even to go retrieve the body of their loved one . Tamron, this is just so heartbreaking to hear. Im so sorry this brave young man the intelligence Lance CorporalJeremiah Collins has lost his life in afghanistan. My heart goes out to the family. Theres nothing that we can do to really relief the grief and pain that his brother and sister and mother and father are feeling, but at least, at least we could not add to this grief but now providing the ability of this family to bury him decently. Usually these resources are provided to the family within 36 hours of someone like marine Lance Corporal collins passing. Because of the shutdown, despite passing the military bill and despite all of these antics with veterans bills, it really shows the problem of trying to cobble together and piece together a government. It is maam, let me interrupt you really quickly. The president is starting now. Lets listen in. Thank you. Ill try to be brief at the top. This morning i had a chance to speak with Speaker Boehner and i told him what ive been saying publicly, im happy to talk with him and other republicans about anything. Not just issues i think are important but also issues that they think are important. But, i also told him that having such a conversation talks, negotiations, shouldnt require hanging the threats of a Government Shutdown or economic chaos over the heads of the American People. Think about it this way, the American People do not get to demand a ransom for doing their jobs. You dont get a chance to call your bank and say im not going to pay my mortgage this month unless you throw in a new car and xbox. If youre in negotiations around buying somebodys house, you dont get to say, well lets talk about the price im going to pay and you dont give me price, im going to burn down your house. Thats not how negotiations work and how it happens in business, not how it happens in private life. In the same way, members of congress and the House Republicans in particular dont get to demand ransom in change for doing their jobs. Two of their very basic jobs are passing a budget and making sure america is paying its bills. They dont also get to say, you know, unless you get me what the voters rejected in the last election, im going to cause a recession. Thats not how it works. No american president would deal with a foreign leader like this. Most of you would not deal with either a coworker or Business Associates in this fashion, and we shouldnt be dealing this way here in washington. And ive heard republicans suggest that this is reasonable, this is entirely appropriate but as ive said before, imagine if a Democratic Congress threatened to crash the local economy unless a republican president agreed to gun background checks or immigration reform. Its fair to say republicans would not think that was appropriate. So lets let these threats from our families and businesses and lets get down to work. Its not like this is a new position im taking here. I had Speaker Boehner and the other leaders in just last week. Either my chief of staff or i have had serious conversations on budget with republicans more than 20 times since march. So weve been talking all kinds of business. What we havent been able to get are serious positions from the republicans that would allow us to resolve core differences. And they have decided to run out the clock until theres a Government Shutdown or the possibility of default thinking it will give them more leverage. Thats not my characterization. They said it themselves. That was their strategy from the start. And that is not how our government is supposed to run. Its not just me by the way, who has taken the position that were willing to have conversations about anything. Senate democrats have asked to sit down with House Republicans and hash out a budget but have been rejected by the House Republicans 19 times. At the beginning of this year, Speaker Boehner said, what we want is regular order and a serious budget process. So senate should pass a bill and house should pass a bill and then a Committee Comes together and they hash out differences and send the bill to the president. Thats exactly what democrats did. Except somewhere along the way, House Republicans decided they wouldnt appoint people to the committee to try to negotiate. And 19 times they rejected that. So even after all of that, the democrats in the senate still passed a budget that effectively reflects republican priorities at republican budget levels. Just to keep the government open. And the House Republicans couldnt do that either. The point is, i think not only the white house but also democrats in the senate and democrats in the house, have shown more than ample willingness to talk about any issues that the republicans are concerned about. But we cant do it if the entire basis of the republican strategy is were going to shut down government or cause economic chaos if we dont get 100 of what we want. My suggestion to the speaker has been and will continue to be, lets stop the excuses, lets take a vote in the house and lets end the shutdown right now. Lets put people back to work. There are enough Reasonable Republicans and democrats in the house who are willing to vote yes on a budget that the senate has already passed. That vote could take place today, shutdown would be over. Then serious negotiations could proceed around every item in the budget. Now, sps Congress Votes to reopen the government, its