push them around. and that's palpable like force fields around them. i think that really helped. i will also say, brian, and i know you appreciate these kind of things, that the technical staffing of this debate and the technical production of this debate was flawless. sometimes at big events like this, big boisterous events like this with lots of cross-currents, lots of different voices, some of the things that go -- sometimes what goes wrong is that people can't necessarily hear what's happening and the moderators aren't confident that you can hear us over the applause and the candidates aren't on the you can hear them over the crowd or each other. here technically it was a flawless setup, both in terms of the tyler perry studios and what they did for us and in terms of our own production team. and you could hear everything and know where every sound was coming from and i think that actually just made it easier for all of us to try to keep order. >> the technical stuff is one of the things our team is really good at. the moderating stuff is sadly for you one of the things you're really good at. rachel maddow, enjoy the rest of your evening. unless you have other plans.