who has become craven to donald trump in all of this to undermine the trust of the election and impact voting rights which he has already done with legislation this past session. >> how dangerous is it that this is happening in another state nearly one year after the election? even if the results, yet again, confirm that biden won, how dangerous is it, matt, that it's happening? >> it's incredibly dangerous because there are a group of voters out there that are susceptible to believe the lies of donald trump and greg abbott. even though there are no facts or truth that supports it at all, they believe that. and so i actually feel in many ways feel bad for these voters because governor abbott doesn't respect them, he doesn't tell them the truth, he is not honest with them. the voters believe that and act out upon that. i think it's incredibly bad. our democracy is already in a fragile point and in my view is broken in many different ways. this only is going to add to the brokenness and i think it's fundamentally at the point of voting as you know, stephanie, is the only way people can hold