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Wayfair, youve got just what i need hello, i am trymaine lee. You just watch civil war, which traveled across the United States to explore how americans tell their story of the civil war. And the nation and denial. Halted by and fiddler passed and the stories it refuses to tell. From flags and monuments in the town square, to cemeteries. We, the living, continue to grapple with how to confront this singular event of National Trauma and the horrific system of slavery and its roots. And will continue doing that, during this reckoning in america. Its whats compelled me to explore how contested and personal this event remains. And in the months after george floyd was killed by minneapolis police, many monuments were taken down in the United States. That is also what happened in 2017, after heather was murdered in charlottesville, virginia. While protesting a white supremacist demonstration. 30 confederate monuments came down that year. Thats the year i began studying our countrys stone ghosts. What it means to people who built them, and what it means to people who tore them down. Heres a special presentation of what i found during my travels. This is stone ghost in the south. In 2017, hundreds of white nationalists descended on charlottesville, virginia to defend the monuments of robert e. Lee. Their arrival marks the beginnings of 24 hour violent clashes with protesters. One person was killed. Others beaten and bloody. [inaudible] [noise] after the Unlawful Assembly was declared, it was literally manifested. It felt like we won. That is when we heard this loud bang. [noise] one car got pushed into the intersection. Another car got pushed in right behind it. It was just utter chaos. It is hard to imagine that such a big moment happened in this little space. But that is common in america. These big moments happen in little spaces. Absolutely. This is what we learn. We learned that these small spaces can set the stage for huge explosions. The Battle In Charlottesville seem to be over a single statue. And it is a battle that has been repeated in cities across the country. But more than 1500 monuments to the confederacy remain. Honoring those who fought and died to keep black america, like my ancestors, in bondage. So i decided to travel the south to learn for myself just how deep these roots are buried. Im looking for understanding. For something that will make sense in this moment. Along the way, i visited monuments. Those are that are not so easily removed. Artifacts, small enough for some to ignore. Landmarks, too large to take down. That reside in our memory, and in our blood. Because the fight was always about more than just a statue. Beautiful morning in fredericksburg, virginia. I didnt want to take this journey alone, so i asked my friend, a reporter from the New York Times to join me. To help me process what it all means. What is going on, man . Good to see you. We talked about race in history, how his people came from trinidad. And mine from the slave trade. In 2017, the city council of fredericksburg, took up the question whether to remove a slave Auction Block that stands in the corner of downtown. Were about to see an Auction Block where people were sold. Whats crazy is when you look at the old advertisements, several strong negroes for sale but the idea that were not just talking about what we considered as manual labor, we are talking about artists and professionals. When my uncle was young, he took a picture on the slave block. They wanted him to take a picture. For him, it was about getting the money because he paid him. And when my grandfather realized that he had sit on that block and had his picture taken. My grandfather whipped him and threw the money away. And he told him what that block was. And why he was never to go on that block again. That story has been with us since we were little children. This says, not only did we not want you here. But we still do not want you here. The Lone Black Councilman pushed to remove the Auction Block. The six white people in the council said they voted to keep it in place to educate future generations. I heard you say that fredericksburg maybe the most famous city in america. Indeed, our citys most famous. When i walk by city hall, i walk by i walk by the home that my mother was born in. You also walked by an Auction Block, didnt you . I did. What does that mean in terms of the history . At some point, you arrived at a point in history where people were bought and sold in this community. That is an artifact. The very fact that you can stand where somebody was treated as property, and where families were separated, is very moving. Its like what germany did when they kept auschwitz and all. Its like, dont ever forget. You cant ever forget how horrible that was. Councilman chuck proposed removing the block. The Auction Block has been on my mind for a long time, since i was a kid. I used to see people spit on it, and i saw a mock auction. Their lives were so depart. And my thing was all always that it needs to go. It was a 61 vote with city council. Do you think there is a way to do the block in a respectful way and keep it there . I cant change my view. It tells a story that is a more full indepth story. When you walk by there, with your children, with your people. What is the message that you are sending . There is a possibility that youre Great Grandfather was sold here. It seems the fight over the Auction Block is whats in our history book . What it represents has a Rippling Effect of what it represents. That is america. The black barbershop has always been a place of community. Where wisdom is passed, and stories are traded. Today is no different. So what was it like growing up with that Auction Block right there on the corner . It was an embarrassment. I do not need to see that block to see what the past was. It made you mad because i could sit there with my great grandmother, my greatgrandfather. You bring them there and then you tell them. How are you trying to memorialize Something Like that . It is completely unfair and unreal that people can sit there and say that, oh well, we are just saving history. No, what you are doing is spitting in our faces that is what you are doing just across the river from downtown is the chattel plantation. Where hundreds of slaves toiled for a century. You imagine the conversation that happened here, the idea that fear was in the family. Torture. But the flipside is, the fear that you could be sold at the Auction Block. Yeah, can you imagine from down here, looking up here. You see this nice brick house. But youre not thinking that, youre in the haunted house. But the only thing youre serving is the servitude, or death. But is something running away . The union army arrived here, for the white folks, it says the children would respond. And theres terror. But thousands of black folks went across the river to join the union army. Could you imagine that moment . In kentucky, the birthplace of Jefferson Davis, they are struggling with telling a story among these memorials. Including [inaudible] dedicated to the only president of the confederacy. Look at that, my goodness that is huge when youre thinking about the conversation and debate especially over the last year, what are the effects that cannot be turned down by this statue . How can they go into this debate. We are talking about a obelisk at 350 feet tall. Thats why were moving into, within the past few years it is talking about the construction of confederate memory in kentucky. Routed specifically in the routes that are raising money to create this audience of landscape today. To sell it back to not only the south, but the entire nation. And with the south in the civil war, recognizing that this history comes much later. It is situated with the story of the jim crow south. During the early 20th century, groups in the confederacy started promoting a Revisionist Spin on the war. This lost cause was about more than memorializing dead confederates. It was about painting the north as an occupying force. And the south as noble defenders of virtue. All while minimizing the role of slavery. The influence would have the United Daughters Of The Confederacy were especially horrific. Starting in the 1890s, they put out many memorials to the confederacy. Symbols of the confederacy arent all copper and stone. For decades, descendants of veterans have connected through the path through these. Jeff has been living through this for 25 years. He compares dozens of soldiers to his family tree. When were looking at here . This is a six pounder model, my brother and ive built this, we looked it over and he said, yeah, i can make those so thats first what we thought, why not . , that was a hot day. When youre out there and youre in your uniform and you see the flags, is there a connection to the past . Is that what hinges yes, there is a connection to the past. Yes. If youre interested in history, its ten time better than reading about it in the book. So, i guess it gives you a greater appreciation of your forebears and the suffering they went through. Is that appreciate dampened at all for you by the fact that they were fighting for the cause of the slavery states . Have to get into the mind of what the 19th century mind. Or get into the 18th century mind. It is pretty hard to do. You have to do a lot of reading. The library is full of reading about why people decided that it was worth fighting and dying to own people and send people. I dont know if thats and again, one of the topics its a big topic. Thats a big topic well, if you didnt own slaves, its not such a big topic. Do you think the veteran at all and how we should view these monuments, theres a Large Population of americans who those monuments represent them not being human . So, should we squash it . Do we rewrite history . If you dont have some type of proof, generations from now, you have people arguing it and it may just vanish. Considering that for a great number of people, those things represent deep trauma and great violence against people. Havent we got beyond that . Have we . Well, how many People Living in America Today were slaves . How many People Living in America Today own slaves . Its roughly zero, so we shouldve gotten beyond. But we dont have, myself for example, we dont have our last names, a religion, my native tongues. This language is not my language either. Right, but you benefit. Everybody in america has a benefit. Its the greatest country in the world. But not everyone has a benefit of slavery. Everybody living in America Today has a great benefit. The people of african descent in this country, people descendants of slaves, what benefit do they get from slavery . Theyre here. Whats amazing is you get such a sense of place. This could be any town, usa, but youre surrounded by momentos from the past, including momentos and monuments of the confederacy. How do you grapple with that . There is as Much Division because Different Things there is a lack of consideration of how this might make us as americans feel. Black americans feel. There seems to be this lock on the idea that we cant throw away history. But youre not telling the whole truth history. Coming up, my conversation with a descendant of the president of the confederacy. Jefferson davis. Thats ahead when Stone Ghosts In The South continues after this. I love it when he strips for me. We strip as a pack. I dont care who sees me strip. Josh, you strip . 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Hayes davis still holds on to artifacts from is great, Great Grandfather. A bookie signed, a letter he said, a chair he said. And is there more reverence with something that you own than something in a Public Square . To me, yes, absolutely. Because everything thats handed down this chair has reverence to me. A confederate statue, when those first put it up, it had reference to them. How do you balance or reconcile or wrestle with the dual americans around Jefferson Davis . One, that weve all heard is the first and only president of the confederacy. On the other hand, theres 52 years of his life before the civil war. I dont know, i reconcile almost as much as i try to bring them together to have a complete understanding. And when you put that four years of his life, which is 5 in total perspective, is it what it is that we want to remember . Or do we want to have a complete understanding of the entire four years of his life . But that four years is pretty big four years, right . Pretty big four years because it was the most dramatic part of American History and a lot of respect. But they let that country in the position that he was appointed to. Not one that he wanted. Since were dealing with the facts who do a