and these awards are extremely revered. what's interesting here and a way to tie what's happening with this awards ceremony next month and with the andrew mccabe case is people have been worrying that the justice department has become extremely politicized, that the justice department is working in order to please president trump. now, whether or not that's a true, neither of these things do a very good job of dissuading people from that notion. >> cynthia, as a doj veteran, is this just another norm to fall? >> you know what? it just makes you sick to your stomach. i don't know what to say. i love the justice department and it's just not the justice department that i love anymore. and katie is so much nicer than i am. people are worried about it becoming politicized. it is completely politicized. this andrew mccabe prosecution is completely politicized. tonight's response on the grand jury evidence that it's completely politicized.