this plays into the narrative that biden is trying to do, endorsements doesn't really move voters much. there's not much stock in endorsements. but what the kerry endorsement does, it plays into the narrative that biden is safe, that biden is going to take you back to normalcy. the kerry connects you to the clinton and the obama, and it's a very different narrative than what you hear from warren and sanders and buttigieg, who are saying we need new leadership, a new direction, while biden is trying to say, i'm going to take you back to a place that's normal. >> rick wilson, that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. do you concur on the kerry/biden endorsement, and what did you think of his kind of nice, lofty, and high-minded swing at aoc? >> look, i think that joe biden has one great advantage in this race and that is that you know who joe biden is as a voter. the brand of joe biden is very established. you understand who he is. you get where he's come from. you see the lineage of his