back from recess in september. but certainly tomorrow will be a very happy day for the white house. >> and neal katyal, the last word goes to you. i can tell you're revved up about one jeffrey clark at doj. and we'll remind everyone his title at the time was acting chief of the civil division. kind of a cipher and an enigma to even his coworkers at doj. tell our viewers just how unusual it would be for a guy like jeffrey clark to have access to and meetings with the president of the united states. >> literally never happens. certainly not without the attorney general or deputy attorney general being there. one of my first things i did at the justice department back when i was a young pup was draft part of the white house contacts policy, which says you can only reach the president if you're the attorney general or deputy attorney general. and no one else. and certainly not someone angling like this guy was.