bodies in a way they never had before. so we had an epic argument for hours in our college newsroom which was the bigger headline. we ended up fudging it, both got huge headlines and one down the one side of the page, one down the other. but you know, that was almost 50 years ago, and i think -- i frankly don't think roe v. wade will live to see 50, i don't think we'll get to january 22nd, 2023 with roe v. wade intact or perhaps even in existence. i think this court is ready to either gut it or simply reverse it. >> and susan, what happens then? obviously we know the practical effects of what happens then, women will not be able to get abortions, but politically that's seismic, something that the public has understood,