on the ongoing efforts to finally pass president biden's agenda, our friend, eugene robinson, who was a guest here last night, wrote this today. it's time to get real. democrats have the chance to pass and ion into law transformational investments in the nation's human and physical infrastructure. they should go ahead and get it done, and then they should stop focusing on what had to be left out of these spending packages and begin loudly celebrating all that's included. our guest tonight, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager, senior adviser to the president, and mike murphy, veteran republican strategist, codirector for the center of the political future, university of southern california, cohost of the "hacks on tap" podcast. good evening to you both. david, i'm going to as you a direct question. i would love a similarly themed answer.