2020, you're seeing recession. and glenn youngkin, if donald trump doesn't run for president, you'll see him immediately watching for that top tier of potential republican candidates. he's created a model to run on a trump-like agenda. and -- >> jonathan alter, this new model that john allen was just talking about, you identified it earlier as this model in which people who dislike donald trump and what donald trump stands for, glenn youngkin created a model in which it would be palatable for those people to go back and vote for republican. it's not really clear where glenn youngkin stands on a bunch of things because he seems to straddle some lines on traditional and conservative values compared to what trump followers like. he struggled with it during the