pence getting battered verbally by trump and the oval office, you need to do this for me, mike, you need to push this to the house of representatives, listen to john eastman, read that memo, and who's there outside the oval office when pence comes out, mark short, who's there at the capitol during the insurrection, mark short. this is someone who could provide the january 6th committee with an inside, inside view of the pressure campaign that they need to decide at the committee and the department of justice, was it a conspiracy to overturn an election, and perhaps even commit fraud against the united states. he had a front row seat. >> i have to follow up, bob, with a question about loyalty, and that is we have seen so many of these types. how much of a trump supplicant is he? >> he's intriguing for the people on capitol hill for this