say they want to raise or deepen their consciousness and how much of that do you see as what you call plants as a method or shortcut as compared to other activities that people feel don't involve reaching for that stimuli? >> there are other ways to change consciousness. people do it for medation, through extreme sports, fasting. there are many other modalities that do it. the easiest, quickest way have been engaging with the mushrooms or fungus or plants. the reason people do it or, they have a lot of reasons to do it. i think that there's a sense in which we all feel trapped in our egos, our individuality which disconnects us from other people. we do these things to connect with other people, to lower the parriers of ego and feel more social and alcohol does that. it's used to lubricate social
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