>> when i went to howard university, there were perceptions about blackness that i had and private conversations that i needed to have outside of the conversations that we have with white people, private debates that needed to be had, debates about sexuality, debates about gender, debates about geography, et cetera, and you don't really get to have those conversations if you're trying to prove to people your humanity when they don't believe in your basic intellect. there are different axes besides black and white and one of the beautiful things is when you're in a place where you're surrounded by other intelligent, brilliant black people, that card of intellect and card of humanity is off the table. >> i mean, he spoke such a truth there, dr. tolson. i'm curious your take, because these institutions are so vitally important.