said he'd have rudy giuliani and bill barr call him, and that's the heart of this. so what mr. taylor did, or ambassador taylor did, he kind of elaborated on how extensive those efforts were, but the heart of this is really very simple. the president in a phone call with his own voice, his own words, requested a foreign power to provide assistance in a domestic political campaign. that's against the law. and by the way, he did that the day after director mueller testified that the new normal may be russian interference or foreign interference. >> congressman peter welch and congressman andy levin, thank you both for joining us tonight, starting us off. we really appreciate that. >> thanks, lawrence. have a great evening. >> we're joined by former ambassador secretary of state. and jeremy bash. evelyn farkas is still with us.